Talk:Constitutionalist Revolution

Aliança Liberal

I replaced the information that North and Northeast states formed the coalition of Vargas coup d'État for the name of the three states of the "Aliança Liberal". Just one of those states is in the Northeast (Paraíba) and none is from North, so the information was wrong. Actually, Rio Grande do Sul, one of the coalition states and Vargas' homeland, is Brazil's Southernmost state!! Oli1944 (talk) 18:07, 1 March 2010 (UTC)

Needs work

English version of this article needs extensive work. Lots of awkward phrasings, perhaps as a result of literal translations from the more extensive article in Portuguese. 73.138.215.6 (talk) 01:53, 25 January 2022 (UTC)

Image caption

@Spinney Hill: Why revert my edit when the image caption is clearly wrong? That is not an army unit, quite the opposite. The image's title literally states it is the "19º B.I.P. da Força Pública", that is, the 19th Infantry Battalion of the Public Force, departing from Manacá. Manacá is a railway station in the municipality of Passa Quatro, in the state of Minas Gerais, near Minas Gerais' border with São Paulo. Back then all states of Brazil had "Public Forces", precursor of the current Military Police forces, which were under the command of the respective states' governors, in the same way the army is under the command of the country's president. Torimem (talk) 16:09, 7 October 2022 (UTC)

The image caption was not "clearly wrong" to me, but then you obviously have more knowledge of the subject. I have no problem with that. However the English was a little clumsy and I have tried to improve it . Thank you for the explanation of Minas Gerais. The expression "public force" means nothing to English readers and I expect US readers would be the same, so I have changed this to "state police." I hope this is OK with you.. Spinney Hill (talk) 08:42, 8 October 2022 (UTC)

Alright. But what about the infobox text? And what if someone creates an article about the "Public Forces", what should be its name? Torimem (talk) 15:05, 10 October 2022 (UTC)

I think the infobox should say as it is. The "Public Forces" on each side are shown there and are described as such. They are "blue linked" which leads to an article about the "public force" of each side. There are already articles for each force which are named "the Miltary Force of ....... State." This explains what the "public forces" but this can only be so linked once in this article. In the body of the article in the section subtitled "The Paulistas and the Federal Forces" the Sao Paulo force is given its title in Portuguese in italics and the English description "the military police of Sao Paulo State" in normal typeface in brackets. That I think that should stay and is a good method of explanation but it should only be done once in the article. For consistency it might be better to use the phrase "military police in the image caption ." It might be misleading because they are not part of the army. "Armed police" might be better but this would imply hand guns arms only like US policemen and unlike British police who do not normally carry firearms. These are clearly armed with rifles so they appear to be at least a semi- or para miltery force so "military is perhaps the best. I am going to change the caption to military police. I hope you agree. Spinney Hill (talk) 00:14, 11 October 2022 (UTC)

@Spinney Hill There's an article in the Portuguese Wikipedia about the "Public Forces" now that I plan on translating to english. Its title in portuguese is "little/small state armies" (pequenos exércitos estaduais), but refers to the "Public Forces" in general as you can see in the lede. I don't think using the same title but in english is appropriate. If I were to translate it right now I'd simply use the title "Public Forces", what do you think? Also what's wrong with the name "Public Force/s" specifically? You have Armed Forces, Police Forces, Land Forces etc. "Public" denotes opposion to private, c.f "Public School". I want your opinion please. Torimem (talk) 16:33, 13 October 2022 (UTC)

A public force could be anything from the army, though the police to the fire brigade or a group of government employed litter pickers. If they are a state army as opposed to a federal army say "state army." If they are state armed police force as opposed to the federal or national police say state (or maybe Sao Paulo or whatever state you are talking about) armed police. That's the way I'd approach it. It’s difficult because the Brazilian army or police are obviously different to the set up in Britain or even the USA. By the way I am British and living in Britain but this article probably needs to be in US English, not being especially connected with Britain or the former British Empire. By the way public school means a different thing in Britain to what it means in the USA, but that is an entirely different story..

If you use the expression "public forces" I think you need to explain which forces they are. Spinney Hill (talk) 09:23, 14 October 2022 (UTC)

Aviation in the Constitutionalist War

I have tried to make sense of the paragraph on what the Government had by way of planes but I do not know what "TOE observation is" nor can I understand *updated in connection missions." If anybody can explain and correct these terms please do; and if you can better rephrase this section more accurately and in good English please do so.Spinney Hill (talk) 10:02, 14 January 2023 (UTC) The following is incomprehensible. Can anybody assist? :

Hi @Spinney Hill, that's part of the plane's model! Its name/model is actually "Potez 25 TOE". I'll look into the text to make sense of it. Torimem (talk) 01:11, 31 January 2023 (UTC)

When looking into it I found out the whole section was copied from this page. Torimem (talk) 01:53, 31 January 2023 (UTC)

     "The Naval Aviation mobilized the 18th Division Note with four aircraft Vought O2U Corsair and the Flotilla Joint Patrol Aircraft Independent three planes Martin PM and seven Savoia-Marchetti S.55."